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Just finished listening to your conversation with Lawfare Senior Editors Kate Klonick and Alan Rozenshtein, it's excellent.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily---the-reverse-centaur's-guide-to-life-after-ai--a-conversation-with-cory-doctorow
PS Anyone fighting to stop the approval of a data center will get a number of important arguments to use with local, regional and state officials why granting approval would be an enormous economic gamble from this podcast episode, never mind the environment and grid impacts.