<oembed><type>rich</type><version>1.0</version><title>zlogic wrote</title><author_name>zlogic (npub1cw…pjhe0)</author_name><author_url>https://nostr.now/npub1cwj2xrt5vun4q572lnvveukvwq9d2cwav9n4hexxvcsa7vr3vt8q9pjhe0</author_url><provider_name>njump</provider_name><provider_url>https://nostr.now</provider_url><html>I definitely agree that a peaceful civilization would be better. It&#39;s just a question if that isn&#39;t even a contradiction in terms. Can you even have a peaceful civilization?&#xA;The Amish are a culture a people but I don&#39;t know if you could call it a civilization. Same with the other groups you mentioned afaik.&#xA;&#xA;&#34;Civilization is a complex, large-scale society defined by advanced urban development, social stratification, specialized labor, and symbolic communication systems like writing.&#34;&#xA;&#xA;Are there any pacifist groups that have ever actually met the definition of a civilization? And if you separate pragmatism from idealism then does that mean a pacifist could be violent?</html></oembed>