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released. #Monal #ios #macos #xmpp #im #chat #messaging

2026-10-26T03:37:33Z

released.

#Monal #ios #macos #xmpp #im #chat #messaging

our website is static, too, and it was really nice we didn't ...

2026-10-21T15:14:10Z

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our website is static, too, and it was really nice we didn't had to take it down at all :)

also seid ihr von Tofu auf explizit/manuell verifizierte ...

2026-10-10T03:23:51Z

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also seid ihr von Tofu auf explizit/manuell verifizierte fingerprints gegangen? Da ist ein neues handy mit neuem fingerprint dann erstmal nicht vertrauenswürdig (könnte ja ein Angreifer sein der sich einschmuggeln will)

Ging dann das manuelle verifizieren des neuen Schlüssels nicht oder woran lags? Wir bräuchten eigentlich etwas wie automatisches trust management, was den trust transitiv übernimmt

Oder einfach kein omemo, sondern OX mit nur einem key auf allen devices

naja, oder halt durch manuelles verifizieren von Tofu auf ...

2026-10-08T09:51:25Z

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naja, oder halt durch manuelles verifizieren von Tofu auf explicit trust umgestellt, was zwar sicherer ist, aber dann eben auch erfordert, dass man neuen Geräten manuell vertrauen muss.

ja, omemo kann ich auch nicht leiden. Das Ding hat einfach zu ...

2026-10-08T09:39:10Z

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ja, omemo kann ich auch nicht leiden. Das Ding hat einfach zu viele edge cases. Ich hoffe ja, dass OX da besser wird (hat dann im Gegensatz zu omemo auch keine nervige aber kaum gebrauchte forward secrecy mehr).

Wenn wir die neue ui fertig haben, wirds hoffentlich auch in Monal OX geben :)

Monal 6.4.23 (Build 1098, PR #1728) released. - Increased sync ...

2026-10-07T22:19:47Z

Monal 6.4.23 (Build 1098, PR #1728) released.

- Increased sync speed considerably
- We don't show the login view anymore, if all configured accounts are disabled
- The last message of a chat was partially hidden on iOS or macOS 27, this is fixed now
- Sharing something using the share sheet should no longer attach a spurious garbled file alongside

#Monal #ios #macos #xmpp #im #chat #messaging

wenn auch das Apple Token dort rot markiert ist, dann ist in den ...

2026-10-05T20:06:00Z

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wenn auch das Apple Token dort rot markiert ist, dann ist in den Einstellungen Push deaktiviert. Monal fragt einmal beim ersten Start ob es Notifications schicken darf und wenn man da nein auswählt, muss man danach in die iPhone Einstellungen, dort zu den Apps und auf Monal und dort dann background und Notifications aktivieren.

Zu siskin kann ich nichts sagen, könnte aber ein ähnlichen Problem sein.

also die neueste ejabberd Version hatte die Reihenfolge der XML ...

2026-10-05T20:02:09Z

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also die neueste ejabberd Version hatte die Reihenfolge der XML Elemente im push verändert und das hatte den Pushserver von Monal irritiert, das ist aber seit ca. 2 Tagen auf dem Pushserver gefixt (und das nächste ejabberd Release wird auch gefixt sein).

Was das Entsperren angeht: das allererste Entsperren des iPhone nach dem Hochfahren ist notwendig, danach sollten aber alle Pushes ankommen, auch wenn das Handy gesperrt ist.

only the alpha builds, its not yet ready for beta testing. Alpha ...

2026-10-04T16:45:59Z

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only the alpha builds, its not yet ready for beta testing.
Alpha can be installed if I whitelist the UDID of the device on some Apple website.

we are currently working on a complete rewrite of the UI in ...

2026-10-04T16:17:00Z

In reply to nevent1q…pe77
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we are currently working on a complete rewrite of the UI in Monal. The new ui already supports reactions, but is not yet on feature parity with the old chat ui.

I've published a few screenshots of the new chat ui on mastodon about a month ago, if you want to check it out 😊

I've just updated the monal pushserver to accept either ...

2026-10-03T23:48:03Z

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I've just updated the monal pushserver to accept either ordering, so even ejabberd 26.09 should work now 😊

also ich meine die Domains, dann kann ich schauen on unser ...

2026-09-27T02:26:00Z

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also ich meine die Domains, dann kann ich schauen on unser Pushserver Pushes da hin schickt.

Wenn dein Kontakt auf Einstellungen -> Allgemeine Einstellungen -> Benachrichtigungen -> Fehlersuche geht und dort doppelt auf Apple Push Service" tippt, kommt die rohe Push ID von Apple raus gefallen. Wenn du mir die zukommen lässt, kann ich nach schauen, ob unser Server pushes zu genau diesem Gerät verschickt.

Außerdem muss in dieser Debugseite unbedingt überall ein grüner Haken sein.

was für xmpp Server nutzen die denn?

2026-09-26T19:03:04Z

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was für xmpp Server nutzen die denn?

manchmal hängt sich der IOS push Dienst auf dem Handy auf. Das ...

2026-09-26T08:12:10Z

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manchmal hängt sich der IOS push Dienst auf dem Handy auf. Das handy neu starten hilft da meistens.

yeah, with Apple your appeals to appstore decisions are actually ...

2026-09-26T06:22:43Z

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yeah, with Apple your appeals to appstore decisions are actually reaching a human that understands the issue and I even managed to have a phone call with one of them. And I only pay them ~$100 a year, not more and nothing close to the ~$1000 Daniel paid to Google.

That's a level of service Google never provided. There is much to say about Apple (its still a gatekeeper etc.), but at least this part is really much better than the Google "experience".

Monal 6.4.22 (Build 1094, PR #1689) released. - Improve ...

2026-09-24T20:19:38Z

Monal 6.4.22 (Build 1094, PR #1689) released.

- Improve SRV-record handling for dot records
- Allow voice-over localization of loading spinner in the chats overview
- Obfuscate upload filenames when sending encrypted files

#Monal #ios #macos #xmpp #im #chat #messaging

In der Liste fehlt whatsapp (oder der kik messenger). Whatsapp ...

2026-09-13T17:29:16Z

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In der Liste fehlt whatsapp (oder der kik messenger). Whatsapp war nur nie föderiert und hat über die Jahre eigene Protokoll Erweiterungen eingebaut. Aber der Server war am Anfang sogar auf dem open source ejabberd basiert (keine Ahnung ob die das mittlerweile komplett neu implementiert haben, aber ich bezweifel es)

can you provide a logfile from Monal? If you send it via email to ...

2026-09-03T16:20:06Z

In reply to nevent1q…rszr
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can you provide a logfile from Monal? If you send it via email to info@monal-im.org I might be able to debug and even fix this :)

Instructions: https://github.com/monal-im/Monal/wiki/Introduction-to-Monal-Logging

--> existing clients (which very much have their rough edges, ...

2026-08-21T15:32:46Z

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--> existing clients (which very much have their rough edges, as you experienced yourself) can't get better or even if they get better, they do so much more slowly.

And that in turn gives people the impression that either 1. xmpp doesn't work properly/is dead (and that moves people away from it rather than attracting people to it / helping out) or 2. they just need to write their own client (which splits efforts among many small projects rather than joining forces).

Its a vicious circle

I don't know of other's aversions, but I can explain ...

2026-08-21T15:28:05Z

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I don't know of other's aversions, but I can explain mine: the community is relatively small (as with most open source ecosystems) and to me it seems we often have people doing what I already described: reinventing the wheel from scratch and often stopping halfway through.

That would be okay if we were particularly well equipped with manpower, but everybody writing their own client does is depriving other clients of often desperately needed manpower.

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why an entirely new one? Why not just improve gajim (or Dino)? ...

2026-08-21T14:42:19Z

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why an entirely new one? Why not just improve gajim (or Dino)? That would be a much better investment of energy than rewriting everything from scratch and then stopping half way through.

the only thing I don't like about matrix is the fact that it ...

2026-08-21T14:22:00Z

In reply to nevent1q…yl85
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the only thing I don't like about matrix is the fact that it splits the open source ecosystem. We aren't particularly well equipped with developers, so matrix developing their own system rather than working on the much older xmpp and improving everything they don't like does harm in the long run.

After all xmpp is an open protocol everyone can improve and write clients for. Even structuring those efforts around a company etc. would have been possible 🤷‍♂️

I'm not sure if liquid glass is the right thing for chat ...

2026-07-30T21:54:16Z

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I'm not sure if liquid glass is the right thing for chat bubbles. At least the iOS SMS app doesn't have such bubbles.

Everything else: yes, we'll turn on liquid glass once the ui rewrite is done because it sometimes interacts badly with those old ui items.

yeah, it is one screenshot of the chat with a message having ...

2026-07-30T21:51:18Z

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yeah, it is one screenshot of the chat with a message having reactions and another screenshot of the long-press view of that message.

dark mode: ...

2026-07-30T17:51:06Z

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dark mode:

the padlock in the upper right determines if your messages will ...

2026-07-30T17:49:10Z

In reply to nevent1q…25f5
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the padlock in the upper right determines if *your* messages will be encrypted, not if any special message is encrypted.

So far the new ui looks like this (a public channel in light mode):

how do you define "nice and modern looking"? We are ...

2026-07-29T18:00:07Z

In reply to nevent1q…ewgl
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how do you define "nice and modern looking"? We are currently rewriting our chat interface and any input is welcome :)

sure, you're welcome :) happy debugging :)

2026-07-29T13:58:17Z

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sure, you're welcome :) happy debugging :)

Monal currently only supports omemo legacy (in the siacs ...

2026-07-29T13:56:27Z

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Monal currently only supports omemo legacy (in the siacs namespace).

hmmm, thats sad. The only remaining option I know of would be ...

2026-07-29T09:02:01Z

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hmmm, thats sad. The only remaining option I know of would be uwpx then. Or port gajim (or Dino) to another GUI system. That might still be something with long term viability. I'd reach out to the maintainer and ask about this :)

short question: why not participate in gajim development and help ...

2026-07-26T19:53:31Z

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short question: why not participate in gajim development and help improving it rather than reinviting the wheel once again?

That approach would help the ecosystem way more than starting yet another client and abandoning it half way through. Just my two cents.

snikket IOS isn't a rebranded Monal, but a rebranded siskin. ...

2026-07-26T19:45:33Z

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snikket IOS isn't a rebranded Monal, but a rebranded siskin. You can tell from the notification problems as documented over here: https://eversten.net/en/blog/notification/

can you point out what part of Monal isn't KISS enough for ...

2026-07-15T16:55:27Z

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can you point out what part of Monal isn't KISS enough for ordinary people to understand? I would be more than happy to improve Monal!

yes, that is possible and we can even ship updates even though it ...

2026-07-14T05:58:11Z

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yes, that is possible and we can even ship updates even though it won't be accessible in the appstore for new installs (in that case it would need a new SMS code which won't work anymore anyways).

To bring some perspective into this: according to the appstore ...

2026-07-14T02:48:46Z

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To bring some perspective into this: according to the appstore statistics, Quickly iOS has about 600 users currently (and only 1.8k downloads ever, including later uninstalls).

That's almost nothing compared to the >50k users of Monal iOS.

While there are a hand full of solutions (local users donating a Sim with SMS flat + cheap android device to route through SMS for their country for example), I fully understand Daniel Gultsch (npub18ds…6490) here: according to the user count it doesn't seem worth the effort.

We will remove Quicksy from the Appstore shortly. See this for ...

2026-07-13T19:23:58Z

We will remove Quicksy from the Appstore shortly. See this for the reason: https://gultsch.social/@daniel/116912137403650656

more importantly it doesn't support stream management or mam, ...

2026-07-10T15:36:27Z

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more importantly it doesn't support stream management or mam, which makes it prone to silently loosing sent or received messages.

the meshtastic CLI has a --tunnel switch which provides a tun ...

2026-06-29T16:31:39Z

In reply to nevent1q…twgq
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the meshtastic CLI has a --tunnel switch which provides a tun interface for raw IP packets. Using that to tunnel Xmpp through the mesh should be possible, we just need somebody volunteering to test that setup :)

xmpp over mesh networks should also be possible.

2026-06-29T15:16:18Z

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xmpp over mesh networks should also be possible.

great to hear! :) Just be aware that the snikket IOS app has a ...

2026-06-27T10:20:08Z

In reply to nevent1q…nkz2
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great to hear! :)

Just be aware that the snikket IOS app has a few rough edges regarding notifications for incoming messages. Most people use Monal on iOS instead for a better experience (Monal is fully compatible).

If you have any questions regarding Monal, don't hesitate to ask me :)

setting up a [@snikket_im](https://fosstodon.org/@snikket_im ) ...

2026-06-27T08:18:19Z

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setting up a [@snikket_im](https://fosstodon.org/@snikket_im ) server is dead easy.

But as an #xmpp client developer I might obviously be biased.
On the other hand I'm a happy xmpp user since 2015 and only later in 2020 joined the Monal team.

Monal alpha has support for reactions ;)

2026-06-01T15:09:27Z

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Monal alpha has support for reactions ;)

the beta can not be installed alongside stable, though...alpha ...

2026-06-01T15:07:45Z

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the beta can not be installed alongside stable, though...alpha can. Beta ist still the 6-9 month away, I guess.

currently its only in alpha, but if you want, you can send us an ...

2026-06-01T14:09:39Z

In reply to nevent1q…hz78
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currently its only in alpha, but if you want, you can send us an email with the udid of your device to info@monal-im.org and I can whitelist you for the alpha (the alpha has the new chat view already). Alpha and stable/beta can both be installed alongside each other, so you'll still have a stable app, should the alpha gave any bugs :)

both will be solved in 7.0 with the complete rewrite of that chat ...

2026-06-01T14:00:03Z

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both will be solved in 7.0 with the complete rewrite of that chat view :) if not, please let me know! (It'll take 6-9 month to finish 7.0, though)

nice to hear! I guess the new messages you are referring to is ...

2026-06-01T13:33:38Z

In reply to nevent1q…fcuv
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nice to hear! I guess the new messages you are referring to is the open chats overview displayed directly after opening the app? That will eventually be ported to swiftUi and become more accessible, too (but its not part of the planned 7.0 release, likely some 7.x).

we try to make it as easy and accessible as possible and swiftUi ...

2026-06-01T12:54:11Z

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we try to make it as easy and accessible as possible and swiftUi should make that even more easy as well. So its definitely on our radar :)

The support muc is at: xmpp:monal@chat.yax.im?join The alpha ...

2026-05-30T00:49:04Z

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The support muc is at:
xmpp:monal@chat.yax.im?join

The alpha build channel is at:
xmpp:monal-alpha@chat.yax.im?join

And information about other support options can be found at:
https://monal-im.org/support/

while money always helps to attend xmpp sprints and pay our push ...

2026-05-29T21:21:00Z

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while money always helps to attend xmpp sprints and pay our push server infrastructure, what we need most is more contributors. There is so much left to do for Monal 7.0, every helping hand would be awesome! :)

we are working on stickes in Monal 7.0, we even have our own ...

2026-05-29T18:16:49Z

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we are working on stickes in Monal 7.0, we even have our own stickerpacks created by art.sophy (npub1nw5…zvpk) already :)

Monal 6.4.21 (Build 1092, PR #1650) released. - Show last usage ...

2026-05-27T23:22:28Z

Monal 6.4.21 (Build 1092, PR #1650) released.

- Show last usage timestamp of OMEMO keys
- Use the iOS 18 UI in the share sheet
- Allow using any language in the Display Name field in account settings
- Try to improve location sharing accuracy
- Improve contact last activity timestamps
- Fix several bugs

#Monal #ios #macos #xmpp #im #chat #messaging

I'd suggest @npub1nw5…zvpk ( https://art.of-sophy.ch ). ...

2026-05-25T10:51:07Z

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I'd suggest art.sophy (npub1nw5…zvpk) ( https://art.of-sophy.ch ). They designed the beautiful ghosty stickers for our app.

your xmpp server needs a properly set up turn server.

2026-05-25T10:45:00Z

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your xmpp server needs a properly set up turn server.

in these cases a logfile from your Monal installation would be ...

2026-05-15T19:49:06Z

In reply to nevent1q…0lky
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in these cases a logfile from your Monal installation would be very helpful.

Monal also has a debug screen for notifications showing a detailed status including explanatory text: go to settings -> general settings -> notifications -> debug notification problems

well, even telling us why Monal isn't a "good xmpp app ...

2026-05-15T19:43:21Z

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well, even telling us why Monal isn't a "good xmpp app for iOS", would help us improve the app 🤷‍♂️

Monal 6.4.20 (Build 1090, PR #1621) released. To see the complete ...

2026-04-22T20:15:20Z

Monal 6.4.20 (Build 1090, PR #1621) released.

To see the complete list of bugfixes and improvements, check our releases page: https://github.com/monal-im/Monal/releases/tag/Build_iOS_1090

#Monal #ios #macos #xmpp #im #chat #messaging

Every time I read this, a question pops up in my mind: what would ...

2026-04-14T02:00:20Z

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Every time I read this, a question pops up in my mind: what would "a consistent ui" be like? I means: iOS and android, for example, sometimes have vastly different ui concepts and using the android concepts on iOS would feel very weird to the users, no?

like @npub1y49…j8wa already said, I don't think that this ...

2026-03-29T21:03:55Z

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like Axel :xmpp: :debian: :tux: (npub1y49…j8wa) already said, I don't think that this is necessarily true.

But on top of this: matrix/element got a *lot* more money pumped into reinventing the wheel. If all that money reached xmpp instead, I'm almost sure we now would have something superior to current matrix and current xmpp alike at our hands.

regarding the attack vector, Holger die a nice writeup on what ...

2026-03-29T20:51:41Z

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regarding the attack vector, Holger die a nice writeup on what this actually is over here: https://metalhead.club/@holger/116239792302016942

beware though, that dialback has weaker security properties than ...

2026-03-15T19:43:05Z

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beware though, that dialback has weaker security properties than proper can certificate validation. So of should only be enabled as interim solution.

oh and regarding snikket/siskin: I didn't check that again, ...

2026-03-15T13:12:34Z

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oh and regarding snikket/siskin: I didn't check that again, but I thought even those try to use normal silent pushes delivered to the main app for non-body xep-0357 pushes to keep things up to date and only send app extension reaching high priority pushes when receiving 0357 body-pushes.

But yes, I might be mistaken here, sorry.

Given that the current mod_csi_simple, places the queue after ...

2026-03-15T13:07:38Z

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Given that the current mod_csi_simple, places the queue *after* smacks and solving that either involves major refactoring of csi_simple and/or smacks and push modules, I figured it would take much time to do that and won't be something fixed in the next couple of weeks (especially given the fact that you might rather have more important things to do than fixing csi_simple). So I decided to suggest switching the csi module as solution applicable now. At least until csi_simple was fixed.

sorry, I didn't want to step on anybody's feet, but as ...

2026-03-15T13:04:08Z

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sorry, I didn't want to step on anybody's feet, but as far as I understand the relationship has been for years (mod_csi_pump for example): csi queue -> smacks queue -> tcp connection. Which makes sense given that stanzas reaching the hibernated csi queue should trigger a push and you don't want pushes for stanzas marked as not important by csi.

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Heads up for all prosody server admins: don't use ...

2026-03-14T19:35:56Z

Heads up for all prosody server admins: don't use mod_csi_simple, it is broken and will result in way more pushes and vastly higher battery drain on all iOS devices! (Even when using siskin or snikket instead of Monal)

You can use mod_csi_battery_saver instead, which doesn't have any of these problems.

Monal 6.4.19 (Build 1085, PR #1583) released. To see the complete ...

2026-03-14T19:24:19Z

Monal 6.4.19 (Build 1085, PR #1583) released.

To see the complete list of bugfixes and improvements, check our releases page: https://github.com/monal-im/Monal/releases/tag/Build_iOS_1085

#Monal #ios #macos #xmpp #im #chat #messaging

my attitude is that I expect maintainers to maintain things, just ...

2026-03-11T23:31:07Z

In reply to nevent1q…aqra
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my attitude is that I expect maintainers to maintain things, just like I'm maintaining my project fixing bugs when they get reported. Especially if those bugs render the app unusable for a huge portion of users (as with this ejabberd bug rendering ejabberd nearly unusable).

okay, I guess I have to publish a post telling my users to switch ...

2026-03-11T23:08:25Z

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okay, I guess I have to publish a post telling my users to switch the server to prosody then, or switch from Debian to nix 🤷‍♂️

aren't you a maintainer of the ejabber packet? I might have ...

2026-03-11T23:05:56Z

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aren't you a maintainer of the ejabber packet? I might have misunderstood the term "maintainer", but shouldn't you, uhm, maintain the packet then?

Why should I start maintaining the packet? Do you mean you aren't capable of doing it and want to resign your maintainership of that packet?

didn't you talk about updating Debian? Shouldn't fixing ...

2026-03-11T22:58:57Z

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didn't you talk about updating Debian? Shouldn't fixing stable be top priority for you?

And no, I'm neither Debian developer nor do I have enough Erlang experience to do that, but *I* will be the person that has to answer all those support requests once our push server certs still having client auth eku expired and push stops working.

And to be clear: on iOS push is vital for a usable client.

and what about fixing stable first?

2026-03-11T22:51:58Z

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and what about fixing stable first?

ah, so youre talking about that p1 TLS module? That wasn't ...

2026-03-11T22:46:55Z

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ah, so youre talking about that p1 TLS module? That wasn't entirely clear to me.

unfortunately there is no package, not even in sid, having the ...

2026-03-11T22:41:18Z

In reply to nevent1q…zx5p
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unfortunately there is no package, not even in sid, having the needed commit from Holger over here: https://salsa.debian.org/ejabberd-packaging-team/ejabberd/-/commits/trixie?ref_type=heads

Without that, even an updated p1 TLS packet is useless 🤷‍♂️

Not even starting to talk about Debian stable...

well, its a lot of work to do, but you could help ;) The current ...

2026-03-11T22:36:41Z

In reply to nevent1q…ykge
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well, its a lot of work to do, but you could help ;)

The current state of the new ui is already visible / somewhat usable in the alpha builds. And in the Monal channel are currently screenshots of the new ui :)

how is it going with the update? The webpki moving away from ...

2026-03-11T22:34:09Z

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how is it going with the update?

The webpki moving away from client auth eku is slowly breaking all s2s connections with Debian servers running ejabberd.

no I can't. I'm already investing way too much time ...

2026-03-11T20:19:04Z

In reply to nevent1q…zrax
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no I can't. I'm already investing *way* too much time into Monal and am already neglecting important other parts of my live and regular job, I won't invest even more time into Monal and there is already a metric ton of bugfixes and features on my to do list.

As I said: I happily take pull requests if somebody is willing to implement things, but I have to make a cutoff somewhere and here it is.

somebody then has to decide which jitsi servers to include as ...

2026-03-11T20:12:57Z

In reply to nevent1q…0rwx
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somebody then has to decide which jitsi servers to include as preset in Monal. And of course also implement that feature.

The ban was because Monal allows users to freely express and ...

2026-03-11T19:51:16Z

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The ban was because Monal allows users to freely express and share their views without the government being able to control what is being said/shared.

I don't believe the government will unban Monal (or quicksy once it got banned, too) if it doesn't implement some sort of spying functionality for them. And I won't ever do that!

I'm afraid there aren't many options left here besides getting rid of the oppressive government 🤷‍♂️

regarding the talking point "alternative for wechat": I ...

2026-03-11T19:47:57Z

In reply to nevent1q…d946
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regarding the talking point "alternative for wechat": I believe the Chinese government doesn't want a solution to exist that's not under their control. That's the reason why they banned Monal from the appstore as soon as they deemed it too popular.

And I'm sure they will ban quicksy as well and only did not yet, because its user base is really small.

a solution is to change the locale of your phone to something ...

2026-03-11T19:42:55Z

In reply to nevent1q…q2vx
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a solution is to change the locale of your phone to something else than CN/CHN. This will automatically enable the call functionality. But I'm legally not allowed to use callkit in China, hence the "geoblocking" using the locale.

And as I said: implementing a replacement for callkit us not trivial and I simply don't have the time to do it.

quicksy isn't banned from the appstore in China, only Monal ...

2026-03-11T19:39:54Z

In reply to nevent1q…d946
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quicksy isn't banned from the appstore in China, only Monal is. The problem is, that apps for the Chinese appstore aren't allowed to use callkit, Apple's framework for seamless VoIP calls. This framework is used and deeply integrated in the call management code of Monal. Somebody has to write a replacement for this.

I'm not capable of singlehandedly improve the whole world for everybody, so this must be done by somebody else. There are already a whole lot of tasks in Monal I'm working on.

sorry, no...I do this in my spare time and I can't solve ...

2026-03-11T16:44:05Z

In reply to nevent1q…yr65
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sorry, no...I do this in my spare time and I can't solve every problem and implement every wish. If that many people are impacted by this, like you say, surely some of these might be able to implement it.

Or overturn the Chinese government with something less oppressive so that the ban for using the built-in iOS call ui can be used in China again 🤷‍♂️

I take pull requests, so if someone is willing to implement an ...

2026-03-11T14:45:19Z

In reply to nevent1q…t540
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I take pull requests, so if someone is willing to implement an extra ui and "incoming call" interface for China: go ahead and do so :)
https://github.com/monal-im/Monal

Please don't submit ai slop, though. I will ban all users submitting slop.

no idea why China bans the iOS native interface but allows apps ...

2026-03-11T14:29:03Z

In reply to nevent1q…j02g
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no idea why China bans the iOS native interface but allows apps to develop their own ui and call screen. I guess they want to raise the bar for independent VoIP apps 🤷‍♂️

But I don't care since the main app (Monal) was banned completely in China, see https://monal-im.org/post/00010-ios-banned/

you cannot call your own account ("notes to self" ...

2026-03-11T14:19:53Z

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you cannot call your own account ("notes to self" contact) nor call a group or channel. And calling under macOS isn't implemented (but you are on iOS, right?)

China doesn't allow apps to use the native call interface of iOS, thus calling isn't enabled if your locale is set to CN or CHN.

Calling in Monal is allowed in China btw., because they banned the whole app from the Chinese appstore. So if you manage to install the app, you will be able to use calls even in China now :D

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2026-03-11T13:58:48Z

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yes, just tap onto the telephone icon in the top right corner of ...

2026-03-11T13:37:14Z

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yes, just tap onto the telephone icon in the top right corner of a chat.

I think @npub18ds…6490 once told me that it will ask you to ...

2026-03-08T11:05:05Z

In reply to nevent1q…4h8m
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I think Daniel Gultsch (npub18ds…6490) once told me that it will ask you to trust the new device before sending a message.

ah and Monal shows a notification if a new client was added to ...

2026-03-08T10:59:09Z

In reply to nevent1q…tnpq
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ah and Monal shows a notification if a new client was added to your own account. Usually that's more actionable because somebody (e.g. you server operator) could try to sneak in a new device to be able to decrypt your conversations.

So you shouldn't ignore that, if it wasn't you logging in on a new device. You can ignore it if you never manually trusted one of your own devices and you should trust this new device if you manually trusted at least one of your own devices.

the only thing Monal does differently is: it shows a status ...

2026-03-08T10:55:24Z

In reply to nevent1q…nnrl
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the only thing Monal does differently is: it shows a status message in-chat if the remote end added or removed a new device. I could be convinced to not show these if there is no manual trust (as described above) involved for this contact.

Monal actually does the same as Dino and Conversations: if you ...

2026-03-08T10:51:21Z

In reply to nevent1q…t244
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Monal actually does the same as Dino and Conversations: if you never manually trust any device/key, new devices are automatically trusted.

If you manually trusted any key in the past, new devices won't automatically be trusted, because you proved that you want to manually control which devices you trust and which you don't.

If you have a specific scenario in which Monal didn't do exactly this, please share so that I can fix things :)

ich hab das einfach so gemacht: wer mich kontaktieren will ...

2026-03-01T19:19:04Z

In reply to nevent1q…efpl
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ich hab das einfach so gemacht: wer mich kontaktieren will braucht entweder eine xmpp app oder muss mir halt eine SMS schreiben. Es ist erstaunlich wie schnell sich dann Leute lieber eine xmpp app zulegen, sobald sie etwas mehr mit mir schreiben :D

thanks! Not sure. I thing the bug was present in both. See Herr ...

2026-02-24T20:20:13Z

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thanks! Not sure. I thing the bug was present in both.

See Herr for the logging part: https://github.com/monal-im/Monal/wiki/Introduction-to-Monal-Logging

Please send the log via email to info@monal-im.org

the question is: could you try again, if the false regenerating ...

2026-02-24T17:12:01Z

In reply to nevent1q…36wk
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the question is: could you try again, if the false regenerating of your keys still happens and if so maybe provide a logfile?

It should be fixed IMHO, but you never know...

because there is now way to know if the old device was wiped ...

2026-02-24T17:10:32Z

In reply to nevent1q…36wk
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because there is now way to know if the old device was wiped after the migration or if there are now two devices with identical omemo deviceids and keys.

Two devices having the exact same identity will cause encryption/decryption problems. And there are also the security implications of the duplicated keys along with your chat partners not being able to determine if your device was cloned or is still only one single device.

sure, but imho that bug has already been fixed several month ago. ...

2026-02-24T16:49:59Z

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sure, but imho that bug has already been fixed several month ago. It was related to apple not returning a stable ID from an api supposed to do exactly that.

We used that ID to regenerate the keys after device migration.

We now generate and store our own ID in the password storage, to detect if the device was migrated.

you can try Monal, it is available via homebrew and in the macOS ...

2026-02-24T11:23:21Z

In reply to nevent1q…m2fd
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you can try Monal, it is available via homebrew and in the macOS appstore :) No audio/video calls on macOS, though, only on iOS.

what about @npub1lv6…5udt ? ...

2026-02-21T16:00:16Z

In reply to nevent1q…0rly
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what about Movim (npub1lv6…5udt) ?

https://piaille.fr/@movim/116098387611211972

Im Unterschied zu Signal sind diese Metadaten aber nicht alle ...

2026-02-21T15:57:27Z

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Im Unterschied zu Signal sind diese Metadaten aber nicht alle zentral bei einem einzigen Anbieter, sondern verteilt und der Anbieter auch wechselbar.

was es deutlich erstrebenswerter als Signal macht ist der ...

2026-02-21T15:56:42Z

In reply to nevent1q…2vrw
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was es deutlich erstrebenswerter als Signal macht ist der föderierte Aufbau. Bei signal ist man immer noch auf Gedeih und Verderb einem einzigen Anbieter ausgeliefert und der ist beispielsweise im Signal Fall abhängig von Amazons AWS Cloud.

Was Metadata angeht, fällt bei #XMPP zwar etwas mehr an, allerdings kann Signal beispielsweise auch Kommunikationspatterns wie "wer mit wem und wann" erschließen.

die Negativliste betrachte ich als ziemlich veraltet...omemo ...

2026-02-21T15:52:52Z

In reply to nevent1q…6259
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die Negativliste betrachte ich als ziemlich veraltet...omemo Verschlüsselung ist standardmäßig eingeschaltet und funktioniert auch in Gruppen (muc) wunderbar, nicht nur auf Android sondern auch auf IOS oder in Dino und Gajim als Desktopclients. Aber der Artikel ist ja auch schon 5-6 Jahre alt, da ist das ja nicht verwunderlich.
Und beide Clients sind mit voreingestellten Servern, können also tatsächlich installiert, gestartet und nach 3 mal "weiter" drücken genutzt werden